For example there are weekly Shabbats and High Shabbats. John 19:31 says High Shabbat. The first and last days of Passover and Sukkot are High Shabbats. That is what they are called. The first day of Unleavened Bread is a High Shabbat. This is tradition and history. We are to keep Adonai‘s Shabbats, weekly and annual in the festivals. That’s a fact Nisan 15 is always a Shabbat. If Nisan 15 isn’t on Sunday then there are two weekly Shabbats. Historically it is believed that Yeshua died on Nisan 17.
The Festival of First Fruits is the Day you start the Count of the Omer. The Pharisee‘s, Saducee‘s, Essene’s, Karaites and others all agree that the First Fruits/First Day to Count the Omer if Nisan 16 Falls on a Shabbat then it will be one the day after the weekly Shabbat which Sunday on our calender. This unique exception that both Pharisee’s and Saducee’s agree upon happened the Year Messiah Died.
If you believe Nisan 16 is the Count of the Omer then you accept the Rabbinic view that the day after the High Shabbat on Nisan 15 is the first day of the count. Then you believe in the High Shabbat. If you believe that you can’t then reject the High Shabbat in favor of another theory. There is a current Sanhedrin in Israel preparing for the Temple to be rebuilt and the follow the Nisan 16 for the Omer Count to begin. Yeshua, Paul and all the biblical Apostle’s submitted to the Sanhedrin even to their own deaths. So should we in my opinion. We should seek to be unified with Israel in as much as we can. There are always two Shabbat on Passover and Sukkot. What day did these fall on?
If Friday was Nisan 15th, that’s the High Shabbat, if Saturday was Nisan 16th that’s the weekly Shabbat, the Pharisee’s and Saducee’s agree on the double Shabbat the Festival of First Fruits falls on Nisan 17th on Sunday. In the year or Yeshua’s death He rose on First Fruits on Nisan 17th and Pentecost had to be on Sunday that year. The count still begins on Nisan 16th if it doesn’t fall on a weekly Shabbat. For that year it was Sunday Nisan 17th.
I’ve always said First Fruits was on Nisan 17th in the year Yeshua died. The Count of the Omer is always Nisan 16th except when on a Shabbat then it moves to Nisan 17th. Anytime that happens Friday and Saturday are Shabbats. I’ve read a lot that says Yeshua Rose on Nisan 17th, on the Festival of First Fruits, and the Majority Opinion that the Count of the Omer Begins on Nisan 16th. The only time both The Festival of First Fruit and the Count of the Omer Fall on Nisan 17 and all parties agree that the Count and Festival of First Fruit Begin on the same day is when Nisan 15 falls on a Friday making Thursday Nisan 14 when Yeshua was laid in the tomb.
Yes the first and last days of Sukkot and Unleavened Bread are High Shabbats, or Holy Convocations we are to rest from all we do.
For Yeshua to die on Nisan 15th Friday He would have died on a High Shabbat and would have broken the Laws about the High Shabbat for the Festival of Unleavened Bread which is easily as problematic as a Wednesday Crucifixion. For Yeshua to die on Wednesday He would have to rise before the end of Sabbath and break the Sabbath or He would have rose on the Fourth day. For Yeshua to die on Friday he would have rose on the 2nd biblical day from evening to evening, an in a loose unbiblical interpretation on a 3rd general day. However Yeshua said “three” literal days and nights not a metaphor. Add to that the Gospels clearly say Yeshua rose ON THE Third day. It wasn’t after or before but on.
The Laws about a man hung on a tree require the man to be buried that day before night. As the High Shabbat of Nisan 15 was upon them since Yeshua had His training Passover on Nisan 14th. For Yeshua to fulfill the Mitzvot of our Passover Lamb He would have to be killed at the same time as the Passover Lamb, then be prepared at the same time the Passover Lamb is prepared. This is the clencher. Yeshua was prepared with Spices and Oils at the same time the Passover lamb was being prepared BEFORE the High Shabbat of Nisan 15th so that when the had the Passover Sacrifice they could do it hours after His death in remembrance of Him as He taught them the night before.
There is nothing that indicates they didn’t prepare the Passover Lamb, Yeshua our Passover lamb, at the time they did prepare the Passover lamb. Actually He was prepared and it was done at the time they Prepare the Passover Lamb. It would not left to another day.
It is against the law to not bury a person who is hung on the tree before sunset that day. The burial ceremony includes the normal burial rituals. On top of that Yeshua is our Passover lamb, He was killed at the time the Passover lamb was killed. He was prepared at the time the Passover Lamb was prepared on the day of Preparation. I rest my case in that.
The crux of the Wednesday plot is the “missing day” theory sounds like a good plot for a book not theology. The shaky theory based on one verse and loosely strung together theories doesn’t hold weight. Yeshua was prepared at the time the Passover Lamb was prepared period.
If they didn’t anoint Him with Oil and Spices at that time then He is not Our Passover Lamb. If they rested and didn’t fully bury Him as was the tradition then the broke the command of Torah regarding the death of a person on a tree.
Nevermind if they didn’t fully prepare Yeshua on the day of Preparation of the Passover Lamb for the Feast that night on Nisan 15th then He didn’t fulfill all the commands regarding the Passover Lamb. That is not possible. He is our complete and perfect Passover Lamb.
Yeshua is our Passover Lamb and He in all ways fulfilled Torah, to say anything else is to reject truth or say He’s not the perfect Paschal Lamb. He is our complete and perfect Passover Lamb. Not the partially fulfilled or Torah breaking kinda almost didn’t get it done lamb or prefect and complete Passover Lamb.
If they didn’t bury Him that day they would be breaking torah (Deut 21:22-23). Burial includes the Oil and Spices just like they would prepare the Passover Lamb. By the witness of two or three everything is established. Mark stands alone and can’t be used to establish a doctrine its a nice “theory.” It is unproveable and thus can’t be accepted as fact. It is an intriguing idea. There are facts that I’ve clearly make it not plausible. Good people disagree for example Saducee’s and Pharisee’s disagree on when the Omer Count is right. Both are right to themselves and choose to disagree. Disagreement is okay.
I don’t know where people get Nisan 10th from. 6 days before Nisan 14th is Nisan 8th. If Yeshua died on Thursday and 6 days earlier was Friday Nisan 8th, Then there is no issue.
As I’ve clearly shown the most accepted Messianic timeline.
- Nisan 8th Friday (Johns says Yeshua enters Jerusalem here)
- Nisan 9th Saturday-Shabbat
- Nisan 10th Sunday
- Nisan 11th Monday
- Nisan 12th Tuesday
- Nisan 13th Wednesday
- Nisan 14th Thursday Erev Pesach (Yeshua’s Training Seder, Betrayal, Death & Burial)
- Nisan 15th Friday The High Shabbat, The Feast of Unleavened Bread (when the Passover Lamb was consumed in the grave for our sins)
Nisan 16th Shabbat (The Rabbiinic-Pharisee count for the Begin of the Omer, except when it falls on Shabbat) - Nisan 17th The Festival of First Fruit which is The Count Of The Omer (The only time all of Israel, Pharisee’s and Saducee’s agree that its on Sunday is when the High Shabbat is on Friday pushing the count to the 17th. This is the only exception in which all of Israel agrees. Historical most scholars put the Resurrection on Nisan 17th satisfying all Mitzvot as our First Fruit of Aviv to begin the count down until Shavout.)
There are alot of flaws in the Wednesday theoryand the misapplication of Mark and most importantly where it disagree’s with and add’s to Torah, and adds to and changes the original text. There are addition and changes. And the text in question is a disputed text. Even if you accept it you can not establish a doctrine on one obscure text that is not confirmed my theories strung together. There is no agreement in the text on this as a possible exception. It is a divergent text and by itself is not suitable to establish any believe on.
If Yeshua died on Wednesday then He rose on the fourth day. Scripturally He rose while it was on the third day not the fourth day. This isn’t possible. The disciples says “is this not the Third Day” and all over it says “He rose ON THE Third Day” not after. Mark does include corrupted text. In that light all things must be established by the witness of two or three. In the light of Mark’s disagreement with Torah and The Gospels, and the lack of confirming witnesses it is only Mark that is at issue not Luke.
There in only ONE exception in which all parties agree on the date of the First Fruit-Omer Count and that is when there is a Double Shabbat falling on Friday (Nisan 15th) and Saturday-Shabbat (Nisan 16th). When the Omer Count falls on Nisan Shabbat even the Pharisee’s agree with the Saducee’s in that one and only case for both it falls on Sunday Nisan 17th. Nisan 17th is the historically accepted date for Yeshua’s death that a majority of scholars agree on. According to this He is the First Fruits for all Jewish Traditions, from Pharisee to Saducee.
Yeshua is our complete and perfect Passover Lamb who was killed at the same time the Lamb was killed, and was Prepared on the Day of Preparation of the Passover Lamb. In addition the laws regarding burying a person hung on a tree required that he be prepared and buried that day. If Yeshua wasn’t buried as a person hung on a tree is supposed to be then His burial broke Torah (Deut 21:22-23). As our Passover Lamb to fulfill the Mitzvot He had to be prepared BEFORE He was consumed by the grave not later.
You do have 3 partial days and 3 partial Nights with a Thursday Crucifixion:
- Nisan 14th-Thursday 3pm Crucifixion, Preparation and Burial by Sunset. Part of 1 Day, One Full Night
- Nisan 15th-Friday full day and night
- Nisan 16th-Shabbat full day and night
- Nisan 17th- full night, rose before around sunrise or after havdalah depends on who you follow
As the Disciples said “Is this not the third day” and as all others say “He rose ON the third day” not after.
Two Questions:
- Is Yeshua “Our Passover Lamb”?
- Did He Rise on First Fruits?
If the answer is Yes. The only way all of those can be fulfilled is if He is killed and prepared at the same time of the Passover Lamb, and ready for consumption before the High Shabbat starts. And the only way Both the High Shabbat and the Shabbat are back to back making Three days between Thursday and Sunday is when Nisan 14 falls on a Thursday and Sunday is Nisan 17th.
As for Nisan 10th that’s a Sunday if Nisan 14th is Thursday and Nisan 11 is Monday. That is a non-issue if you believe in a Thursday Crucifixion. And if Nisan 14 is Thursday Nisan 8 would be a Friday which is 6 days before. Watch
- Nisan 8th Friday – Six days before – Triumphal Entry
- Nisan 9th Shabbat
- Nisan 10th Sunday
- Nisan 11th Monday – Beating Money Changers
- Nisan 12th Tuesday
- Nisan 13th Wednesday
- Nisan 14th Thursday Erev Pesach-Yeshua’s training Passover-Betrayal-Burial
- Nisan 15th Friday High Shabbat HaMotzi
- Nisan 16th Shabbat, begining of Omer only when not on weekly Shabbat
- Nisan 17th Sunday-Resurrection, First Fruits-Count of the Omer on a double Shabbat
This is the only narrative that doesn’t require extra days or funny math. Its real simple.
As for Wednesday you can not create any doctrine or belief by the testimony of one. By two or three everything is established. Mark is in disagreement with Deuteronomy and the Gospels. There are proven errors and discrepencies in Mark. With that its interesting to consider the possibilities but you can put you faith in something without two or three witnesses in context that say the same thing. For Yeshua to raise on Shabbat before Havdalah is to break the Shabbat.
Yeshua’s death was on Passover at the time the passover lamb was killed as I see it. Yeshua was Prepared on the Day of Preparation of the Passover Lamb as He was to be Prepared. If not then He is not our “perfect” Passover Lamb. Yeshua was consumed in the grave at the time the Passover lamb would have been consumed.
If Yeshua rose One second after he died or was buried it would have been day four. If Yeshua was buried after sunset He would have broke the burial rituals. If Yeshua rose before the Havdalah (end) of Shabbat then He broke Torah. So if there is any point the Gospels said that Yeshua crossed one of those lines I would have issues with that. But I don’t see that they would support breaking Torah.
Three strikes against this theory
- Being buried after the command to bury and possibly breaking the command to properly bury before nightfall
- Rising before Shabbat was over is breaking Shabbat
– Two things I believe Yeshua would never do - Being the Passover Lamb to fulfill the Mitzvot and be the perfect Passover Lamb He would have to be prepared on Nisan 14th before the meal when the Paschal offering is consumed on Nisan 15th
Lastly Yeshua rose on First Fruits, there was no extra day “First Fruits” for it fell on Sunday. But I guess we don’t agree on that because Nisan 16th is on Friday for those who say Nisan 14th was on Wednesday. Which brings up the dispute about the Count. Would Yeshua be the author of confusing? Heaven forbid may it never be. Yeshua is the perfect Lamb and would fulfill all the Mitzvot regarding that. Secondly I hope we can agree He wouldn’t break the Sabbath. Thirdly I hope we can agree that He wouldn’t have His disciples break the Mitzvot regarding Burial of a person hung on a tree. Let’s look at some very important doctrines and passages in Mark.
Why does Mark say the Sabbath is now over when Luke mentions the same people and says before? First off scripture is established by two or three witnesses this one obscure reference does not establish doctrine. With the other errors in Mark I would be inclined to say its an error. The fact that nothing else bears witness with this text it can not be used to establish or change doctrine.
Why would they rush to anoint Yeshua with spices and oil, in essence preparing the passover lamb and then do it again after the day of preparation passed? That doesn’t make sense. Yeshua is our Passover Lamb He must be prepared on the Day of Preparation Nisan 14th. In addition the laws about hanging someone on a tree require they be buried that day not over a two or three day period. To start it one day, wait another day, to finish it again would break to Mitzvot one the Passover Lamb Preparation and the Laws about burying a man hung in a tree.
Would Yeshua ask anyone to break to laws that He Himself gave to His people? We know He wouldn’t heaven forbid may it never be. According to John “they took Yeshua’s body, and bound it in linen cloths with the spices, as the custom of the Yehudim is to bury,” (John 19:40). An unspecified “they” (which most likely are the same group as Matthew and Luke) and Nicodemus had already anointed His body. The custom for a man hung on the tree was to bury Him before sunset. They would have been preparing Yeshua’s body at the time the Passover lamb was being prepared. All meal preparations had to be done before dusk. There is nothing other than that obscure reference in Mark that isn’t supported by two or three other witnesses.
Is this the only discrepency between Mark and the other Gospels? No, Mark is full of discrepencies, errors and changes, where the other three gospels agree and Torah disagree. Scholar do agree on that point. Let’s look at three major differences and their implications.
For example the V’ahvta which follows the Shema goes “You shall love ADONAI your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your might,” (Deuteronomy 6:5) and Matthew agrees “You are to love ADONAI your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength,” (Matthew 22:37). Yet Mark add’s and changes things “You are to love ADONAI your God with all your heart, with all your soul, WITH ALL YOUR UNDERSTANDING, and with all your strength,” (Mark 12:30). Mark adds an additional ”with all your mind” or “understanding.” Why is that? Is that okay to do? Scholar’s have speculated that it was a Hellenistic influence that may have lead to this addition.
Further than that most scholars hold the view that the “Longer Ending” to Mark between verses 9-20 were not part of the original text and were additions in support of Hellenism. Some believe the addition was added in the late second century to finish what they felt was an incomplete text. Other discrepencies in addition to the longer ending of Mark 16, there are discrepencies in the description of Yeshua’s post-resurrection appearances. Another change in the earliest manuscripts of Mark 1:2 have a direct quote from Isaiah 40:3 and Malachi 3:1 saying “As it is written in Isaiah the Prophet” which is later replaced with “As it is written in the prophets.” Another discrepancy is seen between John 19:14 says Yeshua died at the Sixth Hour whereas Mark 15:25 says he died at the Third Hour.
Those are some things to consider when reading Mark in the context of the other Gospels and in light of Torah. Is there any other day or any other way?
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